Fri 5 May 2006
David Swanson writes:
Submitted by davidswanson on Fri, 2006-05-05 02:16. Impeachment
By David Swanson
Those who favor impeachment but wet themselves in fear when big scary Republicans walk by never cease to amaze with their creative ideas of what to fear from pursuing what they want to pursue: impeachment. Here’s an LA City Beat article that’s afraid of Cheney (yeah, yeah, that’s an old stand by) but also afraid that focusing on Bush would help Republicans who are distancing themselves from him. Now that’s creative defeatism! We’ve lowered Bush’s credibility and popularity so far that his own loyal court jesters are looking for palace exits, and therefore we should shut up because we’re actually benefitting his court? Amazing.
And I respond:
submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2006-05-05 07:23.
Sure, David. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. The last I checked, you were advocating replacing the republicans with the democrats,(I would hope you’d acknowledge Ron Paul should be left off that hook) instead of real change.
You need to face up to the fact that there are not merely more serious issues in play here than usual, but more fundamental ones as well. Issues that transcend politics; issues of character, scruples and verasity.
Issues that can never be resolved effectively until it is acknowledged
that the facade of two distinct political partys is as a Shroud of Turin over the elephant in the living room.
Clearly, what we really see is two competing factions of the one-and-the-same criminal gang, colluding to appear as ideological adversaries.
This is particularly clear from the Libertarian perspective, as we question the validity of government involvment in matters with regards to which the Rep/Dems merely haggle over procedure, taking said involvement as the given.
While you may not agree with our limited government credo, surely you can understand how it gives us an acuity for discerning the underlying sameness and collusions of the Rep/Dems.
Libertarians, and I’m sure all third partys and their supporters frequently agonize over “wasted vote syndrome”.
While the phenomenon may be real, it’s false premises need to be exploded in the minds of the voting public, if we are to overcome it, and subvert the Rep/Dem monopoly.
“Wasted Vote Syndrome”, as you know, is the fear that in voting for a third candidate, say in a three way race with two candidates from the Rep/Dem factions, the vote is “wasted”, because it might prevent the lesser of two evils from prevailing over the greater.
But this is a false fear for two reasons, one practical, the other categorical.
In the practical realm, each voter needs to realize that in any major election, it is statistically impossible for their one vote to determine the victor. Any voter can confirm this for themselves by looking back on their own voting experiences.
Just ask yourself,”Would an election in which I voted for either a Republican or a Democrat ever have produced a different victor had I either voted for the other of the two, or abstained?”
No doubt, there must be some cases, but their paucity only serves to prove rather than disprove my point; remember, we’re discussing statistical probabilities, the only class of facts we can use for rationally assessing the most likely result of a process.
Categorically, one must understand precisely what one is engaged in when one votes, and more critically, what one is NOT engaged in. What one is not engaged in is a competitive process.
This would probably come as a surprise to most voters, but the fact is, one’s place in the dymanics of an election process as a voter is akin to a juror in a court trial and in no meaningful way to a contestant in any competition.
The competitive aspects of the process are exclusively the perview of the candidates and their active supporters, as they compete for the vote of each individual. It is clearly then, a bogus strategy to attempt to account for what one believes the majority of the voters will do in deciding for whom to vote. However accurate the information we may obtain to that regard, it is not a valid basis for our individual decision-making.
What we, as voters ARE engaged in is the expression of a conscientious statement as to which candidate we find best suited for the office in contention.
We each individually make a DECISION as to who most deserves our vote, this is the only meaning our vote can acrue, regardless of what we may choose to believe to the contrary. Any illusions we may harbor not withstanding, we cannot vote against a candidate, nor can we vote for a third candidate in hopes of contributing to the failure of the first without contributing to the success the the second. It is critical that the nature of the act of voting be thus clearly comprehended.
Again, refer back to statistical probabilities; your one vote is too unlikely to provide a determining margin to serve as a basis for rational decision making. This is due to the intrinsic nature of the act, id est, it is moral statement, not point registered in competition. This holds forth whether you accept it as such or not; this is why concerns about election results are not pertinent our individual decision-making.
It is a manifestation of the abstract nature of causation, it being founded in, and deriviative of, the intrinsic nature of the respective partys to the dynamic observed.
Additionally, a helpful point of clarification is the distinction between the DECISION-MAKING we each engage in when choosing who to endorse with our one vote on the one hand, and the DETERMINATION that is arrived at by the cumulative tabulation of the results of these individually-arrived-at decisions.
By bearing that distinction in mind, one can more easily discern the nature and parameters of our place as a voter in the election process, and in so doing, arrive at more clear-minded, rational, and most importantly, conscientiously satisfying decisions.
“We need more Libertarians in office.”—David Cobb, 2004 Green Party presidential candidate
—The Bikemessenger
May 5th, 2006 at 12:28 pm
you should ask me
basically, yes, i agree with you
two rotten parties united in corruption, etc., etc.
what may have you confused is that i see as much hope (and it’s not much, i can be as gloomy as the next guy) in creating an opposition party out of the democrats as i do in accomplishing that with the greens or libertarians
May 6th, 2006 at 3:42 am
David:
First of all, welcome to smallgov.org, I hope to accommodations aren’t too cramped, although, I must admit, we do it deliberately to try to get you to think outside the box!
Actually, and I remember hearing you say this in a radio interview a few weeks ago, what really confuses me is when you say “as much”.
I would expect you would vacillate,or a least be inclined to the more radical approach if the difference on balance, is so indiscernable.
But surely, as indiscernable as that difference may be from this point in time (and frankly, I’m only conceeding you that for rhetorical purposes) the clear qualitiative differences between the two choices must necessarily lead to distinct results, even if, again from here, you can’t make an objective evaluation based on reasonable projections. So, again, why not the choice more radical?
Let’s simplify matters and set aside the Libertarian Party; you probably can present legitimate ideological differences as reasons for not supporting us and besides, it seems to have been taken over recently by either Republican sabotuers or used car salesmen, it’s hard to tell which.
I’m not interested in trying to sell you on Libertarianism now anyway. Although, I would hope you’d prefer our agenda to that currently in force.
But what’s your problem with the Greens? No Joe Lieberman? No Hillary Clinton?
Are you going to tell me the “rottenness” is personal and not structural? That just personnel changes are all that’s needed to “clean up” the Dem ?
Let me ask you this, if the odds are so 50-50 as you seem to think, then why this?
http://gp.org/press/pr_2006_02_09.shtml
Press Release
“Democrats Push Bill That Would Bar Third Parties in Races for Congress”
Surely, you can see the problems with other partys being effectively banned.
Remember, historically, third partys in America have served as a check against the failure of the established partys to address the concerns of significant portions of the electorate.
In the past 50 or 60 years the Dem/Reps have cooperated to remove that check, mainly through ever-more restrictive ballot access laws.
Clearly, they now want to shut out third partys so they can get away with this:
Press Release
GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES
www.GP.org
Friday, April 14, 2006
http://gp.org/press/pr_2006_04_14.shtml
As Bush Crimes Mount, Why are Democrats Retreating?
“These new crimes are hardly surprising to those of us who recognized the fraud behind the war from the very beginning and the vote obstruction in the 2004 national election,” said Michael Berg, who is seeking the Green nomination for Delaware’s lone seat in the House of Representatives . “As the mountain of evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors has grown, so has the cowardice of the Democratic Party leadership.”
“It is criminal that the Democratic elected officials allowed this country to invade Iraq, and it is criminal that they continue to support an illegal war,” added Aaron Dixon, Green candidate for the U.S. Senate in Washington .”
Recently retired Federal Reserve chairman Allen Greenspan remarked that the circumstances were favorable to a third party; he wasn’t the first to note that.
Finally, getting back to thinking “outside the box”, have you delved into the “Unitary Executive” doctrine? Imagine, georgewbush actually thinking outside “the box”:
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20060109_bergen.html
Pretty scary stuff. We need to do some outside the box thinking of our own to counter it. I’m researching it and will post my ruminations here shortly.
And by the way, what do I have to do to get a new password for ADS? I keep sending in requests and get no response.
—The Bikemessenger
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