Wed 21 May 2008
“Thank you for welcoming me as a libertarian candidate” Mike Gravel says to Scott Horton at the beginning of this radio interview:
“my values didn’t change…I had the same values as a Democrat and I have those same values now…”
When asked by Horton to provide some historic background on his efforts to end conscription in the 1970s, Gravel responds: “I’ve never heard it articulated that way—as slavery” and seemed taken aback and bemused.
While Gravel’s efforts back then were highly commendable, he now seems surprised by exposure to a perspective that views conscription as a form of slavery, that is, a libertarian perspective.
Horton trys to explain a few basics of libertarian ideology to Gravel, but he will have none of of it: “The word democracy and the word republic are both the same—it means that the people rule…whatever the majority of the American people want, I buy into…if you don’t buy what the majority of the American people want then it means you want the minority to rule…the libertarians I talk with believe in majority rule…”
“Well, the question is the limitation of the power—does the majority get whatever they want…the question is does the majority have the power to assign their congress to pass laws without limit, just because they’re the majority?” Horton asks.
Gravel’s response? “Of course they do!”
Horton is taken off guard to be hearing this sort of nonsense from someone refering to themselves as a “libertarian”, let alone a candidate for the Platypus Party’s presidential nomination.
Gravel goes on to suggest that we have trade agreements that favor large corporations because we don’t have world government.
Although Gravel’s befuddlement is so abject and deep-seated, absent a clear definition of what constitutes a “libertarian”, it’s understandable how he is able to, in all sincerity, apply the term to himself.
Back in November of 2005, in an interview with Third Party Watch, recently departed Platypus Party “Executive Director” Shane Cory redefined the term:
“I have found that Libertarians are loyal to their nation first.”
“We are not a think tank, debate society or book club—we are the nation’s third largest political party. Our main purpose is to provide Libertarian candidates with the tools they need to win.”
Thank you, Shane. Heretofore, “libertarian” referred to a particular political ideology.
Now, as Gravel’s and Bob Barr’s candidacys for the party’s presidential nomination illustrate, it’s just an empty “brand name” such as say, Republican or Democrat.
At the risk of belaboring a point frequently made here, in American political history third partys have fulfilled a specific purpose. That being, that when the two major parties became too insular and out of touch with a significant segment of the population, the ascent of a third party would give voice to the disenfranchised.
To do so, a third party had to be true and consistent to the position of it’s supporters.
But in a Fox News interview,
Bob Barr states “Well, it’s a mistake to say “the libertarians believe this. The libertarians believe that.” There is a great diversity of views within the Libertarian Party, the same as in the other parties.”
Granted, in the current enviornment, the two major parties are so out of touch that there are a number of significant segments out there stewing in their own frustrations [note,that does not make them “libertarians”].
I recently recommended a video by John Perry, the Edward R. Murrow of the internet.
But in that video, John misses a crucial and fundamental point. He rightly rails against Senator Obama and congressman John Conyers for failing to press the issues of various and sundry impeachable crimes of the bush administration. What John doesn’t get is that these Democrats are not being “spineless” as he puts it.
They are merely pursueing their own interests, as the system status quo directs them.
Within those parameters they may be arguementative, even threatening. But as their adversaries, the Republicans, are their only real constituents in what has become a two-partys-only system, they are limited to rhetoric.
So what exactly do you think you’re threatening the Democrats with, John?
Voting for the very Republicans you would have them prosecute?
Doesn’t this make it clear once and for all that the only way to fundamental change is to return to the third party tradition?
Micheal Moore expressed this frustration most eloquently, carrying it out to it’s natural logical absurdity:
I’ll tell you why. Because I can’t stand one more friggin’ minute of this administration and the permanent, irreversible damage it has done to our people and to this world. I’m almost at the point where I don’t care if the Democrats don’t have a backbone or a kneebone or a thought in their dizzy little heads. Just as long as their name ain’t “Bush” and the word “Republican” is not beside theirs on the ballot, then that’s good enough for me.”
Contrary to what Cory and his ilk would have you believe, this is all due to the barriers the major partys have erected to the advance of competitors, not the failure of third partys to broaden their appeal as a means of advancing the party’s success.
A third party trying to be “big tent” from a position of relative obscurity, without having successfully advanced the cause of it’s core constituency first flys in the face of history and displays a willful ignorance of the basic purpose and function of a third party.
Thus, libertarians find themselves today faced with the prospect of a majoritarian world government advocate or a former Republican professional political operator as the candidate of the party that purports to bear the standard of their ideology.
The former Republican to whom I refer, of course, is Bob Barr.
In 1998, as a Georgia Republican congressman, Barr sponsored a resolution calling for a constitutional amendment that would allow voluntary prayer in “public” schools.
Of course, libertarians understand that the activities inside a school are hardly a matter the federal government should address, let alone by Constitutional amendment.
Getting back to that Fox interview, Barr is asked by Sean Hannity: “What would your vote be? Would you vote to legalize heroin and crack?”
“No, I would not vote to legalize heroin and crack, Sean.” Barr responds.
LIbertarians,needless to say, understand that what happens in the privacy of one’s own body is not subject of debates over legality.
And while Barr seems to more or less get it about Iraq, the basic concept of non-interventionism doesn’t seem very settled in his mind…
This coming weekend, the Platypus Party will hold their nominating convention. There will be some real Libertarians in contention.
But the mere fact that the likes of Gravel and Barr are even on the board is such a fundamental insult to Libertarianism as to render their efforts futile, even if successful.
—The Bikemessenger
4 Responses to “Platypus Convention”
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May 21st, 2008 at 5:33 am
some years ago a group on LNC tried to outline a training process for candidates. The ‘realists’ opposed it, though they grudgingly gave in to the LP University. Now we know why.
Gravel’s a noiv ce guy. He would be nicer if he had a Virgil to lead him through. But LNC has resolutely opposed such a process.
May 21st, 2008 at 9:04 am
Great piece, Robert. Thank you for your observations regarding my video. My intent was not to threaten the dems (I wouldn’t even joke about voting for McCain), but to express the immediate threat we all face if they continue to ignore their constitutional responsibility to hold the executive branch accountable.
I certainly understand they’re “just lookin’ out for number one.” But that doesn’t preclude them from also being cowards.
I absolutely believe that the only way to true fundamental change is through a return to the third party tradition. We have third party initiatives to thank for many of our country’s historic reforms.
If only more people could see past last week in history…
May 21st, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Nice review of the LP. While I am for any party that is principled on personal liberty, I see the LP as off-track to say the least. Why is it that libertarianism is caste aside in our mainstream political debate in this country? Do not tell me that media blackout has caused this…
I think we can attribute some of the unawareness to the Establishment, but surely not all.
The reason why libertarianism is so unknown is due to its un-Authoritarian demeanor. Maybe if we told Americans how they should act, we could make more headway for the LP. Few, including this blogger, would condone such action, however. I do believe that most Americans are level-headed and accepting of the principles of freedom, they just have to come to the realization that they are not free. We all know that this discovery can only come from within and only when it is time, no amount of force-feeding will reveal the notion of State-enslavement to someone.
So I say let us continue, in an un-Authoritarian manner, to school America on the principles of liberty, on all facets because we all can remember the first time it was personally realized that our system of government has been hijacked and subsequently dismantled, then remantled in favor of special-interest.
Nothing I have said is new to most, I’m sure.
Keep fighting the good fight.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:26 am
Ralph Says:
May 21st, 2008 at 5:33 am e
“Gravel’s a noiv ce guy. He would be nicer if he had a Virgil to lead him through. But LNC has resolutely opposed such a process.”
Ralph, if you listen to the interview in it’s entirety, you can appreciate how deep-seated Gravel’s statism is. I don’t think my quotations quite do it justice.
No amount of training is going to convert him to Libertarianism, to the extent that the term still has any meaning.
To accept Mike Gravel as a libertarian and continue to apply to term to the likes of me is to reduce “libertarian” to a mere synounym for human being.
http://www.smallgov.org/?p=195
http://www.smallgov.org/?p=344
John Perry Says:
May 21st, 2008 at 9:04 am e
“I certainly understand they’re “just lookin’ out for number one.” But that doesn’t preclude them from also being cowards.”
True enough, John. And the cowardice may merely resonate harmoniously with the pursuit of self-interest in this case. But it is the pursuit of self-interest, and not cowardice that is the essential, opperant factor.
The pursuit of self-interest generally gets a bad rap. But it is deeply ingrained in human nature. [I don’t think it’s hard to see how it would have substantial survival value for a species with the individual mental faculities homo sapiens displays.]
But the problem is not that humans are selfish; rather, that human society is inappropriately structured as to pit the pursuit of self-interest artifically against socially responsible behavior.
If any improvment in this area is to come of comtemporary American politics, then surely third partys must regain their former status.
“If only more people could see past last week in history…”
Feb. 28, 2008:
“That’s history, that’s the past,” McCain told attendees at a town hall meeting at Rice University. “That’s talking about what happened before. What we should be talking about is what we’re going to do now. And what we’re going to do now is continue this strategy which is succeeding in Iraq and we are carrying out the goals of the surge…”
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4359635
That’s what we’re up against, John. We just have to keep doing our best to enlighten and inform.
Chris O. asks:
“Why is it that libertarianism is caste aside in our mainstream political debate in this country?”
And answers:
“The reason why libertarianism is so unknown is due to its un-Authoritarian demeanor.”
You’re on the right track, Chris. But it runs a lot deeper than that. Libertarianism is fundamentally anti-statist.
Thus, it is extremely threatening to a wide range of powerful and entrenched vested interests.
“Maybe if we told Americans how they should act, we could make more headway for the LP.”
Hmm…that sounds a bit like Gravel’s majoritarianism.
But as you point out, hardly the Libertarian position.
I think one of the reasons that Americans are not free within themselves is that they are not responsible for themselves.
This is best illustrated by the popularity of socialized medicine.
But the source of it all is the government’s control of the education system.
Thank you all for your comments.
—The Bikemessenger